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Maestro
05-11-2006, 02:13 PM
I was holding a notice from my 13-year-old son's school announcing a meeting to preview the new course in sexuality. Parents could examine the curriculum and take part in an actual lesson presented exactly as it would be given to the students.

When I arrived at the school, I was surprised to discover only about a dozen parents there. As we waited for the presentation, I thumbed through page after page of instructions in the prevention of pregnancy or disease. I found abstinence mentioned only in passing. When the teacher arrived with the school nurse, she asked if there were any questions. I asked why abstinence did not play a noticeable part in the material.

What happened next was shocking.

There was a great deal of laughter, and someone suggested that if I thought abstinence had any merit, I should go back to burying my head in the sand.

The teacher and the nurse said nothing as I drowned in a sea of embarrassment. My mind had gone blank, and I could think of nothing to say.

The teacher explained to me that the job of the school was to teach "facts," and the home was responsible for moral training.

I sat in silence for the next 20 minutes as the course was explained. The other parents seemed to give their unqualified support to the materials.

"Donuts, at the back," announced the teacher during the break.

"I'd like you to put on the name tags we have prepared-they're right by the donuts-and mingle with the other parents.

Everyone moved to the back of the room.

As I watched them affixing their name tags and shaking hands, I sat deep in thought. I was ashamed that I had not been able to convince them to include a serious discussion of abstinence in the materials. I uttered a silent prayer for guidance.

My thoughts were interrupted by the teacher's hand on my shoulder.

"Won't you join the others, Mrs. Layton?" The nurse smiled sweetly at me. "The donuts are good."

"Thank you, no," I replied.

"Well, then, how about a name tag? I'm sure the others would like to meet you."

"Somehow I doubt that," I replied.

"Won't you please join them?" she coaxed.

"I'll just wait here," I said.

When the class was called back to order, the teacher looked around the long table and thanked everyone for putting on name tags. She ignored me.

Then she said, "Now we're going to give you the same lesson we'll be giving your children. Everyone please peel off your name tags." I watched in silence as the tags came off.

"Now, then, on the back of one of the tags, I drew a tiny flower. Who has it, please?"

The gentleman across from me held it up.

"Here it is!" "All right," she said.

"The flower represents disease. Do you recall with whom you shook hands?"

He pointed to a couple of people. "Very good," she replied.

"The handshake in this case represents intimacy. So the two people you had contact with now have the disease."

There was laughter and joking among the parents.

The teacher continued, "And whom did the two of you shake hands with?"

The point was well taken, and she explained how this lesson would show students how quickly disease is spread.

"Since we all shook hands, we all have the disease."

"Speak now, I thought, "but be humble."

I noted wryly the latter admonition, then rose from my chair.

I apologized for any upset I might have caused earlier, congratulated the teacher on an excellent lesson that would impress the youth, and concluded by saying I had only one small point I wished to make.

"Not all of us were infected," I said. "One of us ... abstained."

Justawoman
05-11-2006, 02:50 PM
The teacher explained to me that the job of the school was to teach "facts," and the home was responsible for moral training.

I agree with this teacher 100%. Now if your child wants to start a Silver Ring group at their school then abstinence will become a vow a teen takes. But for a teacher to teach morals in school I strongly disagree. I do believe abstinence is a moral issue. Over all it is the smarter choice but usually only something a religious based taught child will know or even accept.

We have come across teachers who have tried to shove their ideology about politics to abortion to global warming down the throats of our girls. The classroom is a place for facts not what a teacher believes to be black or white. We even had a teacher once stand up in class and tell her classroom that all alcohol is evil and if your parents drink then they are bad parents. Our second daughter, who was in 7th grade, came home all upset and confused. Well you can imagine the backlash that busybody got from several upset parents. One glass of wine or one beer a night does not make a bad parent.

So yes, facts should be taught in the classroom and facts only. I am sorry the whole thing was upsetting for you.

TomFoolery
05-11-2006, 03:12 PM
How is abstinence a moral issue? If you abstain from sex, you won't get pregnant. You won't get STDs either. It is a moral choice for some people; it is a common-sense choice for others; for some it is both.

The same is true for smoking. You can smoke unfiltered Camels; you can smoke filtered cigarettes; or you can not smoke at all. your level of protection from STDs (Smoking Transmitted Diseases) is different in all three cases. I might not smoke for religious reasons; you might not smoke for health reasons. But you can hardly argue that telling kids not to smoke is teaching morals in the classroom.

You can argue that kids are going to have sex, so you better teach them about condoms and the pill. Why not also teach them about abstinence. not every kid has sex. That is just an outright lie (not that anyone said it here).

The idea that abstinence can only be taught in a moral context is not logical. The idea that abstinence is purely a moral decision is not logical either.

Radu
05-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Who doesn't believe that abstinence is a fact? Do you believe it's just some faith-based "theory" that doesn't actually exist!?! Of course it's a fact! People live it!

Despite what your religion or culture teaches you, the decision of whether or not to have sex is a moral judgement. For an atheist, their morals say that safe sex is okay. Not everybody happens to have the same morals, and a school that teaches "fact" shouldn't place a subjective value judgement on who's morals are better than others. If you're going to take an objective, academic, look at sex and STDs then you would have to stress the fact that abstinence is by far the safest way to go.

It's completely hypocritical to say that we won't teach your morals, because our morals are better.

jfahler
05-11-2006, 07:30 PM
My problem comes with abstinence-only education... when the concept of abstinence is going way too far.

Considering that (these are from Adolescent Psychology notes from tommorow's exam... not sure on teh research, I'd guess it comes from my textbook by some obscure guy named Dr. Steinberg) by age 15, 25% of American adolscents have had sex - and by age 18 67% have had sex... note that these statistics don't include non intercourse or people who lie... the fact is that schools NEED to teach something other than simply abstinence. I think the hand shaking thing is a great idea, as is the fact that someone "abstained" from it. I personally see it as the parent's responsibility however to teach the child to abstain the most - and the schools to not only teach the benefits of abstinence but also the facts behind "safe" sexual relations. Its interesting to note (also from my notes... hey... this is getting productive) that primary influences on adolescent sexual behavior are social - not biological. Based on this - the fact is that the teen will learn about sex somewhere, somehow, and possibly someWAY. These are the types of things schools need to be protecting.

Justawoman
05-12-2006, 07:32 AM
Yes abstinence is a fact but it also can cross a line and become a moral issue. If you state the facts that abstinence prevents STD"s and unwanted pregnancies then you have taught the facts. But it has become my belief that most teachers don't know when to draw that line. They tend to interject their own ideas on subjects they feel passionately about.

Abstinence is also a moral issue. If you read the Bible and try to teach your children to follow the precepts in it then they are taught that premarital sex is a sin. Hmmmmmmmm ..... sounds like abstinence to me.

If you have teens at all and are active in any form at their schools then you see children who are not taught that abstinence is a proper choice. In fact you begin to wonder if they are taught any kind of morals at all. Just go hang out at a high school especially right after the last bell rings and during lunch.

I will recant that if abstinence was not even mentioned then that was wrong. But for some kids they won't even consider abstinence as a choice much less give it a second thought. That concept has to start at home at an early age.

Grimey
05-12-2006, 10:31 AM
Maestro, did that really happen to you or did you get it somewhere?

Radu
05-12-2006, 01:27 PM
It sounds like one of those email stories that somebody makes up to prove a point. I'm not sure if that's the case, but it does have that kind of "story-line" to it.

I also don't understand why parents would be against teaching abstinence in school, along with contraceptives. Even if it is a moral issue, are you afraid that your kid might become abstinent? Are there any parents that really want their kids to be sexually active? I don't see what the worry is.

Justawoman
05-12-2006, 06:33 PM
The problem could very well be whose facts on abstinence is being taught. Yeah, yeah you can say abstinence is abstinence who could botch that up. Well some well meaning do-gooder of a teacher who injects a healthy dose of their own beliefs on the subject into the lesson.

The school nurse who does the sex education classes here does a great job. You also have the option to take your child out of the class. Now if the science teacher we have in Jr. High were teaching the class no way would my children go. She is the teacher who thinks it is cool to tell her 6th grade class about her many marriages and current love life. So a teacher like her would make a lesson in abstinence something above and beyond the actual facts.

jamesglewisf
05-15-2006, 08:44 AM
The same is true on any subject. She could be telling kids to have all the sex they want as long as they are wearing a condom. She could be teaching kids to drive 60 in a 30. She's just a stupid teacher. She could mess up any curriculum.

lindsey923
03-12-2007, 04:29 AM
I really liked Maestro's story there. I agree with abstinence only education not being the only thing that should be taught, and teaching the facts is a definite yes. Birth control should be more available to youth, because if they are going to "do it" they should be safe in doing so. Abstinence is very important though. I want teenagers to not feel pressured to "do it" just because everyone else is. I don't agree with that teacher for not including it in her lecture at all, abstinence is the only way to protect yourself 100%.