Bush versus Gore

[jamesglewisf]

What do you think? I'm personally pulling for Bush, but it sure is close. This could turn out to be one of the most exciting races we've ever seen.

Lieberman sure makes things interesting. Gore likes to bash insurance companies, but insurance company back-pocket boy Joseph Lieberman throws a wrench in that. (Just a joke--I work for a life insurance company.)

I'll be interested to see if having a Jew on the ticket makes a difference. I know a lot of yellow dog Democrats who are big-time bigots. I wonder if they'll vote for him. BTW, I know just as many Republicans who are big-time bigots; but they aren't going to vote for him anyhow.

Before I get angry emails, my Savior is a Jew. The Jews are God's chosen people, and God says he will bless those who bless Jews, and curse those who curse them (Genesis 12:3).

[jamesglewisf]

According to a Washington Times front page story (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-2000919232831.htm), Al Gore lied when he told the story of a prescription drug costing more for his mother-in-law than it did for his dog.

ABCNews.com (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/gore_lodine000918.html) says he told the story at least 3 times over the past two months while campaining.

Couldn't find anything at CNN, MSNBC, or New York Times.

[jamesglewisf]

This is every bit as hokey as Gore appearing on Oprah. Shame on both of them.

[jamesglewisf]

The Washington Times reports (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-200091922267.htm) that Gore has the support of the Internet Adult entertainment industry at their IA2000 convention. One of the forums at the convention is called "Adult Community Meeting: Vote Democratic!" LOL.

I'm just glad that Bush didn't get their support. I'm surprised Gore did with Lieberman on his ticket. I know for certain that this is unwelcomed. I just thought it was funny. :)

[jamesglewisf]

That's the headline (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-20009200200.htm) at the Washington Times. Here is a short quote from the story:

Hundreds of environmentalists yesterday commandeered Al Gore's campaign headquarters in Olympia, Wash., to protest the vice president's ties to Occidental Petroleum, which plans to drill for oil on sacred Indian grounds.

I thought W was the only big oil man.

[jamesglewisf]

Al Gore and Joseph I. Lieberman, who last week denounced Hollywood for peddling sex and violence to children, lauded the industry late Monday while collecting $4.2 million from stars who mocked George W. Bush.


Check out the full story (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-2000920223840.htm).

[jamesglewisf]

A six-year, $52 million investigation into a questionable Arkansas land deal involving President Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton ended yesterday with independent counsel Robert W. Ray declaring there was "insufficient evidence" to bring charges against the couple.

Read the article (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-200092122562.htm) at the Washington Times. That's some good news for the Clinton/Gore/Hillary camp. I'm glad that malarkey is behind us. It sounds like they should have dropped it about $51.9 million ago. How on earth does something cost that much and get dragged out that long, and then you decide you didn't have enough evidence? Amazing!

[41mama]

I see all these quotes from the Washington Times. Do you realize this paper is owned by the Reverend Sun Myung Moon? I have a good friend who belongs to the Unification Church, but I'm always skeptical about their world view, based on the little bit I know of them. I do not wish to offend if you follow these beliefs, but I was under the impression that the owners of this list were Christians. christie

[41mama]

Is that the "embarrassed" icon? I just realized after posting that I think it's the Washington Post that's owned by the Rev. Moon. christei

[jamesglewisf]

Yes, :-o is the embarrassed smilie.

I don't know who are the owners of either the Washington Post or the Washington Times. I'll trust you on that one. One thing I have noticed is that the Washington Times seems to beat everybody else to the punch on news stories. Their reporting appears accurate based upon what I read about the same stories in other publications.

I am the owner of MarriedAdults.com. I am a Christian, but this is not necessarily a Christian website. Here is the way I view Christianity: I don't have a secular life and a Christian life. I am a Christian living in the world among Christians and non-Christians. This website is about things that I am interested in: marriage, kids, health, finances, work, play, computers, and faith--but not necessarily in that order. My faith affects my worldview, but it doesn't take me out of the world.

I am a full-time Christian minister--that is--a full-time Christian ministering business owner, a full-time Christian ministering webmaster, a full-time Christian ministering husband and father. I hope to have a website that appeals to all people, not just Christians.

[jamesglewisf]

Here's a funny one. Gore is using the populist message to try to win. It's "us" versus the rich guys.

Now he is claiming that he is the protector of prosperity. Now which is it? Prosperity means the condition of being successful or thriving.

Check out the article (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-2000929225010.htm) in the Washington Times.

[jamesglewisf]

The other funny thing is that Al Gore keeps trying to make out like it is him versus big oil. Of course, big oil is Bush and Cheney.

What most people don't know is that the Gore family trust owns $500,000 worth of Occidental Petroleum stock. Yeah, Gore is protecting us against the rich and big oil. Read more about it at the Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-house-2000929182553.htm).

[Carrie Earls]

You read a lot more news than I do . . . I didn't know any of this stuff. Oh, except that Bush was on the Oprah Winfrey show. What's up with that, anyway? Guess I've never been a real fan of talk shows.

I am definitely pulling for Bush. In fact, I'm doing more than pulling for him, I'm voting for him.

[jamesglewisf]

Bush was on Oprah after Gore, not that this makes it the right thing to do. Of course, it is not a moral (right or wrong) issue. It just seems cheesie to me.

[jamesglewisf]

House investigators yesterday accused Vice President Al Gore's office of hiding e-mail records by bypassing a White House computer backup system that resulted in the loss of critical messages over six years. Read more about it here (http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/default-2000103222736.htm).

[jamesglewisf]

According to the latest Gallup/USA Today/CNN election poll, Bush is leading 49%-41%. Last week it was Gore leading 51%-40%. That is a huge reversal from down by 11 to up by 8.

Read about it in the USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/news/poll001.htm), CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/08/tracking.poll/index.html) or the Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-20001092362.htm).

[jamesglewisf]

Gore is starting to really get hammered in the press over his "embellishments." Here is a list of them from the Washington Times (http://www.washtimes.com/national/nobyline-200010100123.htm).

Another article (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-20001010223640.htm) discusses how it is hurting him in the polls.

[jamesglewisf]

Vice President Al Gore allowed that he would consider placing a 24-hour Web cam inside the Oval Office, should he take up residence there next year.
Read more about it at the Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-20001010224347.htm).

I'm sure the Secret Service loves this idea. This is truly one of the goofiest things I have ever heard of. I guess Gore just locked up the voyeur vote. See also Gore has adult-entertainment support (http://marriedadults.net/forum/showthread.php3?threadid=8&pagenumber=1). LOL

[TWTCommish]

Gore is a chronic liar, and by apolozing in the 2nd debate tonight, he finally admitted that he has a problem. When he apologized, I actually let out a real honest-to-God gasp.

Bush is going to take this thing. A solid/surprising showing in the first debate...Cheney clearly winning over Lieberman, and now the very lopsided victory in his 2nd debate with Gore. I consider the race over unless something else big comes up.

[unseen1]

Hi all,

TWTCommish

I hope you are right, I will be nice to have someone with some morals back in the WH. There is some serious house cleaning to be done in Washington.

Besides Republicans tend to treat the military better (pay raises, ect.). Its just gone downhill since Billy boy has been in office, time for a change

Jason

[jamesglewisf]

George W. Bush is leading Al Gore in the contest for the Electoral College vote but remains 31 votes short of the 270 needed to win the presidency, according to a state-by-state projection by The Washington Times.
Check out the rest of the article at the Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/national/default-20001016231016.htm).

That is the first time I have heard this reported in the news. It looks like things are turning around for Bush fans.

[jamesglewisf]

The Washington Times (http://washingtontimes.com/) is running this article today:
Al Gore's pollster yesterday acknowledged the vice president has failed to regain the female voters who fled to George W. Bush after the first debate, giving the Texas governor an overall lead that persists to this day.
I'm surprised that women voters ever liked Gore. With all of his "inaccuracies" he seemed like just another Bill Clinton. Then again, I could never figure out why women voters would like Clinton based upon his repeated unfaithfulness to his wife and public lies about it. Help me out, ladies. What's the attraction?

[In_His_Shadow]

Not all us women are Clinton lovers. I for one never voted for him. When he was running 8 years ago and had that interview on TV with I think Barbara Walters about his affair, it was then that I developed a disgust for him. If I had agreed with all his policies I still would not have voted for him because to me if you can take a vow before God to honor, love etc your wife and he lies to her, whats to stop him from lying to us, his honor? It ends up he proved me right, he did indeed lie many times to our country.

He gives me the chills, not the good kind either. The ones that you get when something evil is lurking around.

I pretty much feel the same about Gore. He also has been caught in many lies. He is a cameleon he becomes what he thinks we want him to be. Do we truly think by him being elected that somehow that will make him stop lying? I certainly don't think so.

CJ

[TWTCommish]

Clinton is smart and sneaky - not a fool. Gore, on the other hand, may be bad, but he doesn't seem as diabolical as Clinton. Limbaugh says he thinks Gore suffers from a self-esteem disorder, and that's one of the reasons he's always making outrageous claims to get attention.

[jamesglewisf]

From the http://www.washingtontimes.com
President Clinton yesterday complained that his demand for an apology from Republicans who impeached him was not meant to be published until after the election, when he calculated that it could do no harm to Al Gore's presidential campaign.
Oops. Esquire Magazine claims it had no such deal with the White House. Based upon Clinton's tendency to lie, I'll believe the magazine. I'll bet you Gore chewed him out for it, and then Clinton started whining.

[jamesglewisf]

It's amazing that a guy who commits perjury is going to demand an apology from the people who held him accountable for it. My understanding is that as soon as he's out of office, Arkansas is going to revoke his law license.

[TWTCommish]

Yeah, he's definetly got some brass kahones - if he's impeached, it's for a reason.

Recommended reading: "Sellout" by David Schippers - the inside story behind Clinton's impeachment. Guess what? After Congress voted to impeach (and of course, it was then sent to the Senate), someone from Congress was upset because the Senate didn't even want them to present their case...

...when told that they had to hear the case, and that it was against the rules, one of the Senators replied "We make our own rules."

Also, BEFORE the trial had taken place (when no one was supposed to have a pre-formed opinion), another Senator said "I don't care if you can prove he raped her, stood up and shot her in the head...you're not getting 67 votes." (the number necessary for ejection from office).

Sickening, isn't it?

[jamesglewisf]

:) I can't believe that it's finally here--I'm voting at about 7AM tomorrow, if I'm lucky. I can't wait to find out who is going to win. This sure has been a close race. Pretty exciting, isn't it! :)

[TWTCommish]

Mark it down: Bush 54%, Gore 46%.

[RoadRunner]

Well, I cast my two one votes. {toothy}

[In_His_Shadow]

Well, we voted in early elections last week. I won't be watching the news at all today, it just makes my stomach get all in knots.

Besides what is preordained to happen will happen. I have done my part now we just sit and watch as the plan unfolds.

CJ

[Beezwax]

Boy oh Boy, I cannot believe what I am reading.
There is just as much dirt on George W. Bush's shoes, as there is on Al Gore's. Texas ranks last in air quality. Thousands of Texas children suffer from lack of insurance. And let's not forget about him being an alcoholic until 1986. Which was ten years after his DUI arrest...and he said he learned his lesson!
I could go on and on just like my fellow forum members, but I am not going to. Let's face it, every politician has been crooked at one time or another, and almost everything they say is a lie!
Our job is to filter out the truth and make a determination based on that, and not on personal attack.
Let's base our votes on what we believe and not what's being served up to us.

[TWTCommish]

Crooked? Depends on what you mean.

Yup, Texas is last in a lot. But here's a bit of news: things were WORSE before Bush took over, and he has improved in those areas (like pollution) since then. Gore doesn't tell you that, does he?

Yup, he had some run ins with the law. That makes him human, not crooked. There's a difference. Most people have made mistakes like Bush, but most don't break major laws the way Gore has with his fundraising or Clinton did with perjury.

[In_His_Shadow]

To come to his defense in Texas since I live here. You have to remember not only is Texas one of the biggest states (i.e. more cars, business's etc) but Texas is the capital of Refineries. I live within 30 miles of 6 major oil refineries. He has made drastic improvements in our area. Also he said he was going to cut taxes and he did.

CJ

[kezzer]

Well, I did it. My first time voting for the big election. I almost wasn't going to either. I just hope that If the choice I made wins, America can get cleaned up and back to a country that I'm proud to call mine.

[jamesglewisf]

Right now, this is how it goes according to ABC News (http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/2000vote/general/president.html).

Popular vote: Bush 52.1%, Gore 45.4%

Electoral vote: Bush 144, Gore 160

[jamesglewisf]

Right now, this is how it goes according to ABC News.

Popular vote: Bush 51.1%, Gore 45.9%

Electoral vote: Bush 174, Gore 183

[jamesglewisf]

CNN (http://www.cnn.com) says

Electoral votes:

Bush 185
Gore 182

[TWTCommish]

I am very dissapointed, but am holding out hope. No matter what the experts say, I'm not convinced that they can project Gore as winning Florida or Pennsylvania (my state!) with only 5-10 percent of the vote in...especially PA, where the cities have been counted first, and they are much more democratic than the suburbs and other areas like that.

I also think there is something terribly wrong with a candidate receiving more raw votes than his opponent and still losing the election.

I'm holding out hope though.

[jamesglewisf]

CNN just took Florida away from Gore, so the count is

Bush 185

Gore 167

[jamesglewisf]

ABC now says:

Electoral College:

Bush 212

Gore 173

[jamesglewisf]

CNN Electoral estimate:

Bush 197

Gore 167

Doesn't include Florida's 25 EC where Bush is leading 51% to 46%.

[jamesglewisf]

CNN Electoral estimate:

Bush 201

Gore 167

Doesn't include Florida's 25 EC where Bush is leading 51% to 46%.

[jamesglewisf]

CNN EC estimate

Bush 217

Gore 167

[jamesglewisf]

They have declared Gore the winner of Michigan, but Bush leads 53-45% with 14% reporting. Guess that one isn't over yet.

[jamesglewisf]

This is the craziest thing I have ever seen.

Two states still undecided: WI and FL.

Gore called Bush at 1:30AM and conceded because he thought he had lost FL. Bush won FL by about 1,200 votes. Then Gore called for a re-count.

So, we are still waiting.

[Debby]

This is NUTS!!!!! Why doesn't Gore just accept that Bush won and quit acting like a child who wants a do-over!!! Meanwhile our country has no president!!!!!!!!! Also, did any of you hear that the Gore representatives were out trying to get votes from the homeless by giving them cigarettes? How nuts is that????

[In_His_Shadow]

I did hear that Debby. This voting thing in Florida is crazy also. Here in Southeast Texas we used the same exact ballot that they are arguing over in Florida. We have used this ballot for every election since I have been voting. My daughter voted for the first time this year and walked in with no instruction (and she is even blonde) and figured it out.

As I see it 1) if you didn't understand the ballot, ask someone there for help thats why they are there, 2) If you punched the wrong name, go ask for another ballot they would just void that ballot and give you another one.

I mean a 7 year old could figure it out. I can't believe there are that many simple minded people living in a concentrated area of Florida and no where else in the States. My understanding is that this type of ballot was used elsewhere also. Plus we have to remember that it was approved of prior to voting by both Democratic and Republican representatives.

It should just fall as it falls and if they don't like the ballot then change it next election. Something needs to be done quickly though, I would hate to see a civil uprising over this with the country divided in half.

CJ

[blinc]

I saw an interview with some of the people in the county where the ballot problems arose. One lady stated quite vehemently that she did ask for a new ballot when she realized she had made a mistake, she was denied the opportunity to correct her vote.

Gore did not ask for a re-count. It was the decision of the Florida State Voting Commission to do the recount. Florida's laws state that if a vote is that close there is a mandatory recount. Gore also did not ask for the hand re-count to be done. I watched on CNN when the lady who is in charge of Palm Beach county voting admin. made a statement that it was her decision along with the other members (unanimous) to call for a hand counting of the ballots. Once again, Gore did not ask for these recounts. Just passing on what I've seen on the news, since I seem to be watching so much news lately.

[TWTCommish]

Actually Gore did request one, and the board voted 3-0 to do so...so whether or not they did it directly because of him, he definitely requested it - I heard Bill Daly and Warren Christopher on the news asking for it basically.

I'll tell you what's nuts: only recounting 4 counties - recount the state, count the absentees, and be done with it! There are problems on BOTH sides, so I figure we just count it, and end it.

[blinc]

I'd love to know where you got that info. I've been keeping up on it pretty regularly because the whole thing is such a mess. Never heard that Gore himself requested a recount, although he did say he agreed with the people who were thinking of filing a lawsuit... because they felt their civil rights had been violated in not being able to cast their votes correctly.

I do think that only that one county should be redone. Simply because Tom Brokaw brought up a really good point: Since the people now know that the presidential election has come down to only two candidates, it wouldn't be fair to allow everyone to revote, since many will change their votes from Pat Buchanan to Gore or Bush. What a mess!

[blinc]

Oh yeah, the Gore Campaign has joined with Volutia (sp) Co. to ask for time to finish a hand recount. Is that what you were thinking of maybe?

One thing that has bothered me is that when the problems of the voting in Palm Beach County first came up, the Bush campaign more or less said, well that's too bad... that's the way that county designed their vote ballots. It's their county and it was their decision to design the ballots that way. However, when the same county wanted to do the recount, all of a sudden he goes to a federal court and asks that the vote recount be stopped. If he thought it was okay that the county handled the voting procedures one way (in his favor) it just doesn't look good to me, that he suddenly questions their procedures when things don't look like they are going in his favor.

Personally, I wasn't real fond of either choice for president. To me, the better choice seemed to be Gore - but not enough to go nuts over. The whole thing seems pretty messed up and just wish it would get settled!!

[TWTCommish]

Well, being Pro-Life, Bush is an obvious choice for me. I also think his Social Security plan is much better, and Gore is hypocritical for criticizing it!

I may be thinking of what you mentioned...if so I apologize.

[Debby]

I agree, I wish they would settle it, it's pretty scary to have it going on like this.

[blinc]

Just wanted to let you know Chris that I was watching the news yesterday and saw one channel announce that Gore had ASKED for the recount in Volutia county... this is false info, since he really didn't. He simply joined in and asked for a time extension to finish the recount. Upon thinking about it, you may very well have heard the info you did... seems the news can't keep things straight half the time either. {toothy} You hear one thing on one channel and something not even close on the other. *roll eyes*

Has anyone heard that if Gore does end up winning Florida that Bush may ask for recounts in the other states that were close, but Gore won in? I've heard that once, but nothing further. Arrgh. Someone needs to develop a better method of voting then these punch hole things! Makes me wonder just how many people have "won" an election in error?

[kezzer]

This is so frustrating! Are we ever going to know who the president is or are we just going to wait til the next election!!??

[RoadRunner]

Hopefully, we'll know by December 18 when the Electoral College votes on it. I suppose that lawsuits could extend it beyond that. Inauguration isn't until January 20, 2001.

[In_His_Shadow]

I found this on another forum I frequent. It makes me wonder if this isn't what the democratic party was working for all along. This is an actual website you can visit and sign up to support. Here it is:



The American people need to unite to keep President Clinton.


Join the effort to have William J. Clinton stay in office. The American people have spoken that they can't decide on the current choice of George W. Bush or Al Gore. We should have the opportunity to have President Clinton stay in office another term. He is what America stands for and we need to make our voices heard.

We need to change the Constitutional requirement, Amendment XXII Section 1, to allow more than two terms in office. We should not be forced by the change in the Constitution to not allow the American people to vote again for President Clinton.

I am asking you now to sign-up with me to change our Constitution to keep Clinton in office for another four years. We changed the Constitution once in 1951 to only allow two terms. We can change it again to keep President Clinton and future Presidents that the American people want.


I am going to submit that our Congress propose an amendment in the form of a joint resolution per the Amendment Process. It does not matter how long it will take to make the term process right. We must fight to keep the person we want in office.

JOIN THE FIGHT!




There it is. I can't wait to see the responses to this. It has been varied in other groups.



CJ

[In_His_Shadow]

* More Election Stories and Video

Last week, at the height of the election deadlock, Foxnews.com asked viewers to share their stories of irregularities in polling places around the country in an effort to illustrate that problems happen everywhere - not
just Florida. In the course of reading through the mail, we noticed that - despite the high drama of the moment - many of you managed to maintain a sense of humor about all this. Many, in fact, were too good to keep to ourselves. Herewith,
then, some light-hearted reader commentary on Indecision 2000.



Hello,

I voted for George W. Bush, but at the time was under the impression that I
was voting for his dad. I would now like to have the entire state of CT redo
the election. Can you help me or, in the alternative, tell me where if can
find an attorney who will sue everybody so that I get to have my way.

Craig

------
Problem,

Me and approximately 250,000 of my friends voted for Al Gore but intended to
vote for George W. Bush.

We just made a mistake in the ballot box. You should trust this because we
cried and we believe our rights were taken away.

So just go ahead and switch those votes to Gov. Bush.

Thanks,

David

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How many Palm Beach Democrats does it take to screw in a lighbulb?

None. They cant find the hole!

Anonymous

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I picked the wrong lottery numbers from last night. Now that I found out the
numbers, can I re-pick numbers after I know the results so I can win the
money????

tim

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I was in a crack-induced haze. Do I get a chance to revote, if I don't
remember for whom I voted?

Ted

------
We use a punch card system in Ft. Myers, Fla. While I was voting, a flying
bug got stuck in my eye and caused my eye to well up with water. This of
course impaired my vision. Because my vision was impaired I realized that I
accidentally voted for Al Gore. Upon realizing this tragic and grave
mistake, I left the voting booth, folded the ballot in half, walked across
the room, and then reluctantly dropped the ballot in the ballot box.

Since this election is so close and there is no doubt that the bug was still
flying around the polls when I left, there is a possibility that other
people may have accidentally voted for Al Gore. Therefore, if the will of
the people is to prevail, all people who had bugs in their eyes while voting
should be able to recast their vote.

Thank You
Scott

------
I could have made a mistake when I voted in Louisiana. If Florida gets to
vote again, can we vote again in Louisiana too? Why not let all states vote
again?

Kay

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I experienced some irregularity while voting in Washington state. I had been
eating a diet really consisting of a lot of breads, etc. and I just started
cramping up right in the booth while voting. In Washington we use a "connect
the dots" method of voting. Because of the pain that I was in, I just
started scribbling all over the page. I am not certain for whom I voted.

Since my experience in the booth I have been on a steady diet of greens and
prunes and am feeling much better. I think that if Washington State had a
re-vote I would be in better condition to know what was on the ballot
instead of fighting off the pain of constipation.

I really appreciate Fox News opening up the forum like this for me to air
this problem. I do not think that it is unreasonable to think that there are
many others in the state of Washington -- and perhaps nationwide -- that
were suffering from constipation. This would make voting really difficult.
There should be a mandated period of at least 48 hours where everyone is
only allowed to eat greens. That would really take care of this issue in the
future.

Brad

[Debby]

I have even heard rumer that they will be recounting ballots in Iowa soon....this is nuts.

[blinc]

It looks like Bush has won... let's just hope it's the end of it. Let's hope too, that the people can accept it.

[Debby]

I agree, the last thing we need is some riot over the presidency!

[TWTCommish]

Bush has definitely won - I've said so for quite awhile. Will Gore let it end this way? I really don't know. A few days ago I would've said he'd drag this out forever, but now I'm getting a small vibe the guy might actually - amazing as it might be - just concede. I think he's dead either way, just a matter of how long he fights it.

[Swimmers]

I just would like to say that I was pulling for BUSH the entire time! And I am quite HAPPY that he is NOW PRESIDENT ELECT! How cool is that?!?

And the Florida thing! I live in Florida and I went to Sea World the other day....talk about your "Wait, we're in Florida let's do a recount" jokes! Eww...that makes me soooo mad! You know...it's not Florida's fault...it's the man who ordered the need for the recount while another man let the first man do the recount w/o opposition! Ugh!!

I'm done now! :D

[CommunistPanda]

I'm so glad it's all over now.
I wanted Gore to win, very much so, but after a couple of weeks of recounting I'd had enough...and I think the rest of the world had too. I think he lost much in the way of sympathy by that stunt. The appointing of Colin Powell as Secretary of Defense eased most of my fears about Bush's entry into presidency - Powell seems willing to send in the airforce when necessary, thankfully. But Bush's statement that he won't do anything to attempt to achieve Middle Eastern peace, and his appointment of an isolationist as National Security Advisor still worries me.

[Swimmers]

CP- do you guys get the news late in Aus? I think that Colin Powell is a great asset as is BUSH! Bush has a good cabinet going for him and good morals.

*side note*

The DUI issue: that was irrelevant to the campaign and/or election. I didn't think that something that happened that long ago should matter. He was also trying to protect the truth from his kids etc. I think that Americans as well as Homo-sapiens themselves, dwell WAY TOO MUCH on the small things rather than the big picture. It's like "who can get the most dirt on whom." That's NOT how you run a country! And that's not the way that we are supposed to behave!

'Nuff said!

[CommunistPanda]

No, we don't get the news late.
I'm just stating something which I didn't get around to saying at the time. :)
Remember too, that in everything I've said on any forum about Bush, I've never argued that he wasn't better on domestic issues - I don't know, and don't care. It's on foreign issues where I was VERY worried, because they affect me, and I'm still worried, although as I said, Powell has eased some of my worries.

[Swimmers]

Well I think that Bush has a strong tie with foreign affairs. He was a wise choice in that direction. But that's just my opinion!

[CommunistPanda]

I really don't want to get into an argument with you on this, but let's just say Bush (from all his public statements, and anything he's done so far) has the foreign affairs knowledge of a retarded donkey.

[jamesglewisf]

YIKES!!!! This is one old thread.

We try to limit threads to about five pages, so I'm going to close this one.

If you all want to continue discussing this (which is perfectly fine), why don't you start a new thread?

Thanks.