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Karenluvs6
12-29-2000, 11:25 AM
Police-beating T-shirts: Outrageous, or free speech?
Or both? Is punishing the cop who sold them wrong?


A Philadelphia police officer and two captains are in trouble for selling T-shirts that mocked the widely watched videotaped police beating of carjacking suspect Thomas Jones, the Philadelphia Inquirer reports. Narcotics officer Kenyatta Lee is being moved to a desk job. The captains, who did not stop the T-shirts from being sold outside the 24th District station, are being stripped of their commands.

The shirts, apparently considered an inside joke by officers at the station, infuriated Police Commissioner John F. Timoney and the Black Clergy of Philadelphia and Vicinity, who charge that Jones' arrest is an example of police brutality toward blacks, according to the Inquirer.

The shirts featured "Welcome, America" on the back - quoting a sardonic Daily News headline published after the police beating - and a photograph showing officers beating Jones. The front had a badge referring to the Philadelphia Police Department and the coming Republican National Convention.

Officers snapped them up for $10 each just days after Jones' arrest.

Philadelphia police have been under heavy criticism -- an multiple investigations -- since Jones allegedly shot an officer and led them on a chase last week. Officers shot Jones five times and his violent arrest was filmed by a television helicopter news crew and broadcasted around the world.

CommunistPanda
12-29-2000, 09:06 PM
Free speech. Definitely.
As Voltaire said, though I can't remember the exact words "I dislike what you say, but will fight to the death for your right to say it".

jamesglewisf
12-30-2000, 12:54 AM
Those guys are stupid. I think they should be suspended or something. I believe in free speech, but some people are in positions where they have a responsibility to behave better.

Karenluvs6
12-30-2000, 08:11 AM
by the looks of these two posts alone, it seems there are some pretty strong feelings about this.
This very quickly went from being a high controversy police brutality story, to a racial violence story.
The story I posted in the first thread, was taken from the Philadelphia Daily Newspaper. Included with the article was a poll asking you to vote:
Police-beating T-shirts: Outrageous, or free speech?
Or both? Is punishing the cop who sold them wrong?

The response was unbelievable. Not the percentages, so much...but the replies ppl wrote in telling their opinion of the situation.

One of the replies that caught my eye, was this one...
From Lilith209
on Thursday December 28, 2000 at 10:25 AM:

Since when is FREE SPEECH definded by just ONE group? It seems that lately only ONE side of the message is getting though and the other is being suppressed by those who would tout their own and call everything else racist. We can't have a WHITE beauty contest...exclude black women, but there can be a MISS BLACK AMERICA contest that excludes white/hispanic/asian women. There can not be a WHITES ONLY Academy Award (and it isn't)...the blacks say that they do not get a fair share of the awards...but there can be an awards ceremony honoring BLACK film personalities and there is no hue & cry from the white population of Hollywood about the unfairness to white/hispanic/asian personalities. There can be a scholarship set up to give money to blacks only...but let someother scholarship program exclude them and there is Hades to pay. Certain minorites feel they are "targetted" by law-enforcement, profiled, if you please. So I recommend to law-enforcement officers...stop a minority, then make your next stop a white/asian/hispanic ...and balance your rates. As for the t-shirts...where can I get one?


The point I am trying to make here, is that no matter what the situation is really about....all ppl need is an excuse to cry racial discrimination.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I read some of this stuff. This was only one of about 10,000 replies.....most of which were in agreement of this one. I didn't even have to read them all to see that.
What do you think about this?

blinc
12-30-2000, 10:42 AM
Could you give a link to where all the stories/replies are? I'd like to read more about the whole situation before giving an opinion.

Karenluvs6
12-30-2000, 10:57 AM
unfortunately, the site has changed the poll, and they do not keep archives of these.
I know I can get it from the newspaper though...and then I will post it up.

CommunistPanda
12-30-2000, 04:32 PM
That letter is just shocking.