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An Awesome Dude
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Smart Feller
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The real issue... we are all hypocrits
well... IMO... the bible says that some people consider eating meat sin and others do not... what then is the one who is free to eat meat do... abstain when they are around those that do not eat meat..according to the bible.... we are all at different levels or phases in our own individual spiritual developmnent and relationship with Jesus...all as in everyone.... we ALL have a relationship with Jesus...it is merely a question of the status of that relationship..anyway that is another subject.... this country is overly hung up on pot... it is a natural plant. (more to come)
All sin is the same in God's eyes... if you have fallen short in any you have violated all... therefore in God's eyes when you drive 36 in a 35 you have been placed in the same "bin" with molestors and murderers in God's eyes... now the earthly consequences of these are vastly different. There is a plethora of mounting evidence that the perceptions we have about pot are erroneous and have been perpetuated by a fear based society that wants to control all aspects of the individual's life. The "say no" campaign and the "war on drugs" has been a thorough and utter failure. The bible does discuss alchemy... that is where crack, meth and IMO hard liquor fall...as well as other hard drugs. by the "letter" of the law the masses that frequent our local "alchemist" to cure their depression.. quiet the demonic voices, block their reproductive capabilities, fix blood sugar issues because they have not eaten right for a lifetime, cure allergies because our food supply is so polluted... these people are all sinning everytime they ingest the latest "formula" produced by the pharmacruetical BUSINESS that subsidizes and greases the palm of virtually every Dr in our nation.... gasp....take breath.... Now for the meat of my response... IMO Smoking pot is probably a sin only because of the by products ingested in the process of burning it. Cooking with it or using it as a spice is IMO AOK... I do smoke pot BTW and am a born again Christian washed in the blood of Jesus... I must be careful that I do not cause someone to stumble for my freedom to "eat meat" (read smoke pot)....but imagine if christians got down off their high horse and lived the life we are called to live in the world how much better we would be perceived.... not judging and piously heading to church but ...loving and caring rescuing a dying world from the sure fate of hell without Jesus...instead we pontificate over whether pot is a sin or not.... ![]() I love you all... Love covers a multitude of sin Let Love be your greatest aim |
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I'm with Stupid!
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It has nothing to do with meat sacrificed to idols unless it is against the law to sacrifice meat to idols. If it is illegal to smoke pot where you live, then it is automatically a sin because there is no commandment in Scripture telling you to smoke pot. All sin is not the same in God's eyes. If it were, he would have never said "An eye for an eye..." There are different levels of punishment for different levels of sin. What is true is that it doesn't matter which one of the sins you commit - lying or murder or adultery or violating a building code - they all make you a sinner, and sinners don't go to heaven without accepting the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for your sins.
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Smart Feller
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“For whoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.” (James 2:10)
There is no degree of sin in God's eyes... eye for an eye was old covenant and a form of justice... we no longer take an eye for an eye ......we...turn the other cheek I am not speaking of meat sacrificed to idols... I am speaking of meat (.) period... 1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written: " 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, 'every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food[b] is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men. 19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. 22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. If we take this literally (as we should) your faith is weakl because you do not smoke pot and mine is strong because I do.... the faith he speaks of is faith in Christ.... not in what I do and do not do... I ... alone will stand before Christ and answer do you ask forgiveness everytime your speedometer creeps past the posted speed limit.... what if you are going 55 and you miss the sign that says 45.... God makes all sin equal to reveal the futility of our "good" works.... we are saved by Grace... nothing else.... not obedience... not doing good things.... eating meat or not,,,, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS saves us..... In the old testament the brass laver was there with broken shards of mirror in the bottom to let us see our wretchedness and reveal the uselessness of our washing in it... we still were fragmented and broken prior to the temple ministry... The temple ministry was completed when the veil; was torn ... the tearing veil was a picture of the new access we have to our spirit and the spirit of Christ seated on our holy of holies or our spirit makes us holy and without sin through the sprinkling of the blood on the judgement seat |
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I'm sorry, but you're just wrong if you think all sin is the same to God. God is not different now than he was when He told the Israelites and eye for an eye. God would not be just if he thought lying about whether or not I like your hairdo is the same as me chopping off your head with an axe. God is not an idiot.
The death penalty for murder was given by God before Moses and the law. It still stands today. God gave different punishments for different sins because not all sins are the same. He said a tooth for a tooth because you should not chop off a guy's arm as punishment for him knocking out your tooth. That is not justice. God is perfectly just and righteous. He cannot view all sin the same. The penalty for being a sinner is the same regardless of which sin you committed, but that does not mean that all sins are viewed equally by God. You can't cherry-pick verses out of the Bible to develop your theology. You have to interpret Scripture in light of the entire Bible, not just one verse. The God of the Bible is a just god. He could not be just if he viewed all sin the same. God also doesn't change. That's why you cannot throw out the law when interpreting Scripture. Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it.
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And besides all of that -- all of the verses here about breaking the law or disobeying the government are from the New Testament, not the Old Testament. It has nothing to do with OT law. Regardless, not one jot or tittle of the law passed away - Jesus' own words.
Unintentional sins are sins too. There were a whole class of sacrifices for when people sinned unintentionally. So yes, if you are driving over 45 and don't know that the speed limit had changed, you broke the law; and if you broke the law, you sinned.
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Smart Feller
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Truth
I, want everyone to read this.
I am a christian god fearing man my uncle is a pastor and i am a servent of the lord this is to all of those who keep talking about weed is legal in other countries, amsterdam, etc. There is places in this world that allow sin like soddom @ gamora for instence, amsterdam also permits married men or anyone to visit prostitutes which is aldultry, so always thank god that were in this country that was founded on God's Laws, and even if we (usa) legalize it (weed) it does not mean its ok to do it remember that your body is a temple of God the Father dont abuse it because it is 100% without a shadow of a dought a SIN.. Thanks god bless |
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An Awesome Dude
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Smart Feller
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I want everyone to READ this
what if I was migrant and stumbled across a pot plant and smelled it... hmm this would taste good on some rabbit meat... I take some and put it in my rabbit... and feel the euphoria associated with this... did I sin.... ???
You pompous folks amaze me at how you allow one person smoking weed to become such a block for you... you are the same types of people that allow divisions and strife to crop up because of tongues, healing, baptisms etc ... what if a baby beleiver came to you and was drawn to Jesus and you lead them to the Lord... and they insisted that they thought pot was ok... would you dissociate from them because you cannot get past that or would you love and accept them as and where they are. I have given scripture that continues to substantiate that from a biblical perspective there is no sin in smoking pot... your only responses have been that you think it is a sin and have no first hand knowledge or revelation that this is the case.... we murder babies by the millions and drive by the clinics that do this every day yet do nothing because that is legal???? you hypocrites remove the log from your own eye...... I do not judge you... your own heart judges you I am free in Christ and those who are free in Christ shall be free indeed.... You are the reason we live in a world that is watching idly by while the world around us is dying and going to hell.... did you read the blogs by the guy that murdered those women in PA..... ?? how many people will have his soul on their judgement seat that didn't just love and accept that poor hurting guy... who felt so alone and isolated that he listened to demonic voices telling him to kill those women and himself... Here's one for you..... if that guy beleived in Jesus he is in paradise today.... if I die with a bong in my hand I will still go to heaven... loving you You are living in a world run by the money interests and they have infiltrated your churches and theology so much so... we need to quit worrying about what is and isn't sin and start worrying about hopw we can show the people around us Christ's love and acceptance.... he hung out with the whores and worst of the worst in his time and avoided the churches like the plague except to show them his anger and reveal their hypocricy.... not much different from the convoys I see pulling into churches today Keith Green said it best... going to church doesn't make you a christian any more than going to mcdonalds makes you a hamburger I digress severely Pot is not a sin .....never has been .......and never will be excess of any substance ... food, tv, beer, wine, even lol yes... pot IS a sin.... in all things moderation and balance Go in peace and show Christ's love to all you met because love covers a multitude of sin. |
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Lol! So, according to you I can ignore every command of Scripture, even New Testament Scripture, and do anything I feel like because you have picked one verse that talks about eating meat sacrificed to idols? There is another verse about how it is better to have a millstone tied around your kneck and be thrown into the sea than to lead one of His little ones astray. This thread started by someone asking whether or not smoking pot is a sin. The question was clearly answered from the Bible. We condemned no one. You are the one being judgemental toward us. We were questioned about a behavior and answered about the behavior. We never said smoking pot was a horrible, unforgivable sin. We just said that it is one. I don't know how you can ignore Scripture that plainly commands us to obey the governing authorities. This thread is not about people being ignorant of the law and breaking it without knowledge. This thread asked the simple question of whether or not smoking pot is a sin, and the simple answer is yes.
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And by the way, Jesus showed incredible love toward sinners. He offered them forgiveness, but he always told them to go and sin no more. He called them to righteousness. Be holy, just as your Father in heaven is holy. That doesn't mean to be mean, but to try to live without sin. It doesn't mean to have a holier than thou attitude.
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Doofus Maximus
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This thread is going nowhere. It is time to close it. Ya'll can take it up again in The Great Debate if you want.
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