Here's a TIP - STOP TIPPING! - Page 6

mary · 06-09-2006, 08:58 AM

You know its funny how people can talk , but they have no idea sometimes, you shouldnt take things for granted that I have it made on a civil service job.

OK,,check this out,,I mean as far as your message goes and your comparisons. I work part time because the government doesnt want to make us full time to save money. Therefore I dont get paid for those holidays. I also have to work nights! They took out the carpet because it was so old,,and now i have to stand on the concrete floor as well,,and have already felt it just like you said in my legs,,they just ache. I also have put my back out many times,,I just missed work last week again because of that,,and here is a big one. The office I work in is closed in,,,,and the ac hasnt worked properly in the last couple years. Its getting worse and there were a few days a couple weeks ago where we felt sick because of the heat,,but its governemnt so they say they dont have the funds for carpeting or to get the ac fixed right.

Since they dont want to make us full time, we cant get medical ins. at the same rate as full time, so we have to pay double,,,even though we make way less. I also put up with rude customers,,and kids. That could take pages to tell you about that,,lol.

Then because im part time,,i vendor stock on the side to make extra money,,,that is paid by the case,.,and its only .35 a case.

Sooooooooooo please dont make assumptions and say quit my lovely job to be a waitress,,,

Justawoman · 06-09-2006, 08:41 PM

Or you could moonlight as one. The tips might come in handy.

ChristyPosting · 06-12-2006, 05:09 PM

I think Mary is comparing the 15% to 20% tipped waitress to other similar positions. On that comes to mind for me is our local lumberyard yard worker. He carries and stacks 2x4s, sheetrock, rolls of tar paper, and other heavy timbers all day long. He sometimes works out in the rain, the blistering sun, or the freezing snow. He makes $7.50 hour.

So, even though I question how he can only make $7.50 per hour, he continues to work there and with the back breaking, weather affected, splinter riddled work. I buy my building materials and respectfully disagree how he should be paid so much more (relative to similar jobs of responsiblity and service).

I understand if he gets a raise my $4 2x4 will go up in price, but he deserves it.

So as we compare various positions of responsibility to thier wages and what is expected, the bottom line is: Will people pay that price for that service? If the $4 2x4 goes up to $8, I will take my business elsewhere, not because the yard guy is making a better wage, but because the 2x4 costs $5 on the other side of town.

If I go to restaurant where gratuity is automatically calculated and included, I understand that my bill will reflect this, and if I dont care for the meal or service, I will not return. If this restaurant paid their workers $20 per hour, and my meal was very good, I could care less how much more this worker is making more than the stock yard guy at $7.50.

As we have the priviledge of micromanaging these waitressing wages, it is abused by those who never leave the understood 15% - 20% for good service.

If we only had the privilidge of tipping consultants who do a poor job, instead of being automatically charged the 33% of the project costs. Now that would be nice.

If you think the industry has brainwashed us into tipping to pay their salaries, I would find it interesting to hear Mary's perspective on purchasing large formations of carbon to be placed on fingers for holidays such as Valentines Day.

Bottom line is: If you think everyone else is a fool for paying that much for other's wages, then dont join in. Personally I dont dine out on a regular basis, as I don't think the whole dining experience is worth the check of $100 for 2. Is this due to the tipping? Partly so, but if I didnt have the priviledge of tipping it would be included directly as part of my meal, and then I may be served by someone who wouldnt be on their best performance, and wouldnt be worried about my beverage being full. I would just pay the 20% and be stuck with what I got.

As for how I deal with excellent service...... you can read about that on an earlier page if your are interested.

I am happy with the choices I have. If I dont agree with some of them, then I dont join in. Good luck.

Grimey · 06-12-2006, 05:20 PM

Welcome back!

Justawoman · 06-13-2006, 07:47 AM

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Bottom line is: If you think everyone else is a fool for paying that much for other's wages, then dont join in. Personally I dont dine out on a regular basis, as I don't think the whole dining experience is worth the check of $100 for 2. Is this due to the tipping? Partly so, but if I didnt have the priviledge of tipping it would be included directly as part of my meal, and then I may be served by someone who wouldnt be on their best performance, and wouldnt be worried about my beverage being full. I would just pay the 20% and be stuck with what I got.

Amen and great sentiment.

iceskater · 04-03-2012, 12:39 AM

My friend normally tips no more than 10% of her bill at a restaurant. She is European and she says tipping is not required there, but if service is exceptional, one would tip. This same friend frequents a particular restaurant in southern California for Happy Hour at least 3 times a week. She normally tips 10% of her bill. After her a recent visit to this restaurant, her bill was given to her with the gratuity added to the bill. There were two people being served, not eight or more and no split orders. When she questioned the manager, she was told the restaurant had a "new policy" to add the gratuity to the bill. The explanation was given that some patrons do not tip enough!! My friend wanted to test this "new policy" so brought someone else her on her next visit, someone who had been there previously and when he got his bill there was no gratuity added. When asked about this, she was told they know this individual tips well!!! Is this something restaurants can do? To me it is discrimination!! There is no law that says one MUST tip at all...is this something that is done...adding the gratuity to a bill for one or two people? What action would or could my friend take against this establishment? Just seems a very poor customer service/relationship. If they don't want the business, lying is a poor excuse...since they do not carry out their "new policy" for all patrons!!

Anyone have any insight into this?

jamesglewisf · 04-03-2012, 06:40 AM

I would just start eating somewhere else. It would have been better if the restaurant had just refused to serve your friend, but I am not a lawyer and don't know about the legality.

I will tell you that your friend is being rude. A waiter in the US makes his money through tips. He has a reasonable expectation of being tipped 15% for providing good service. If your friend is going to violate that by not tipping the customary amount, she should tell the waiter before the meal so that he can decide whether or not to serve her.

Dude111 · 04-06-2012, 03:15 PM

Welcome to the site iceskater

Quote:

Originally Posted by engineerf

Me, I like my money. I like to earn it, and keep it. I'm cheap, and I'm proud of it!

Hehe thank you for your honesty!!

06-09-2006, 08:41 PM	#77
Justawoman Justamoderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 7,091	Or you could moonlight as one. The tips might come in handy. __________________ You know you have had too much coffee when someone says,"how are you?", and you say,"good to the last drop."

06-12-2006, 05:09 PM	#78
ChristyPosting Fart Smeller Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19	Comparison of jobs to restaurant servers I think Mary is comparing the 15% to 20% tipped waitress to other similar positions. On that comes to mind for me is our local lumberyard yard worker. He carries and stacks 2x4s, sheetrock, rolls of tar paper, and other heavy timbers all day long. He sometimes works out in the rain, the blistering sun, or the freezing snow. He makes $7.50 hour. So, even though I question how he can only make $7.50 per hour, he continues to work there and with the back breaking, weather affected, splinter riddled work. I buy my building materials and respectfully disagree how he should be paid so much more (relative to similar jobs of responsiblity and service). I understand if he gets a raise my $4 2x4 will go up in price, but he deserves it. So as we compare various positions of responsibility to thier wages and what is expected, the bottom line is: Will people pay that price for that service? If the $4 2x4 goes up to $8, I will take my business elsewhere, not because the yard guy is making a better wage, but because the 2x4 costs $5 on the other side of town. If I go to restaurant where gratuity is automatically calculated and included, I understand that my bill will reflect this, and if I dont care for the meal or service, I will not return. If this restaurant paid their workers $20 per hour, and my meal was very good, I could care less how much more this worker is making more than the stock yard guy at $7.50. As we have the priviledge of micromanaging these waitressing wages, it is abused by those who never leave the understood 15% - 20% for good service. If we only had the privilidge of tipping consultants who do a poor job, instead of being automatically charged the 33% of the project costs. Now that would be nice. If you think the industry has brainwashed us into tipping to pay their salaries, I would find it interesting to hear Mary's perspective on purchasing large formations of carbon to be placed on fingers for holidays such as Valentines Day. Bottom line is: If you think everyone else is a fool for paying that much for other's wages, then dont join in. Personally I dont dine out on a regular basis, as I don't think the whole dining experience is worth the check of $100 for 2. Is this due to the tipping? Partly so, but if I didnt have the priviledge of tipping it would be included directly as part of my meal, and then I may be served by someone who wouldnt be on their best performance, and wouldnt be worried about my beverage being full. I would just pay the 20% and be stuck with what I got. As for how I deal with excellent service...... you can read about that on an earlier page if your are interested. I am happy with the choices I have. If I dont agree with some of them, then I dont join in. Good luck.

06-12-2006, 05:20 PM	#79
Grimey Schnook Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Springfield Posts: 2,163	Welcome back! __________________ Stretch

04-03-2012, 12:39 AM	#81
iceskater Smart Feller Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1	Tip added to bill My friend normally tips no more than 10% of her bill at a restaurant. She is European and she says tipping is not required there, but if service is exceptional, one would tip. This same friend frequents a particular restaurant in southern California for Happy Hour at least 3 times a week. She normally tips 10% of her bill. After her a recent visit to this restaurant, her bill was given to her with the gratuity added to the bill. There were two people being served, not eight or more and no split orders. When she questioned the manager, she was told the restaurant had a "new policy" to add the gratuity to the bill. The explanation was given that some patrons do not tip enough!! My friend wanted to test this "new policy" so brought someone else her on her next visit, someone who had been there previously and when he got his bill there was no gratuity added. When asked about this, she was told they know this individual tips well!!! Is this something restaurants can do? To me it is discrimination!! There is no law that says one MUST tip at all...is this something that is done...adding the gratuity to a bill for one or two people? What action would or could my friend take against this establishment? Just seems a very poor customer service/relationship. If they don't want the business, lying is a poor excuse...since they do not carry out their "new policy" for all patrons!! Anyone have any insight into this?

04-03-2012, 06:40 AM	#82
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,401	I would just start eating somewhere else. It would have been better if the restaurant had just refused to serve your friend, but I am not a lawyer and don't know about the legality. I will tell you that your friend is being rude. A waiter in the US makes his money through tips. He has a reasonable expectation of being tipped 15% for providing good service. If your friend is going to violate that by not tipping the customary amount, she should tell the waiter before the meal so that he can decide whether or not to serve her. __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE

06-09-2006, 08:58 AM	#76
mary Smart Feller Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 7	You know its funny how people can talk , but they have no idea sometimes, you shouldnt take things for granted that I have it made on a civil service job. OK,,check this out,,I mean as far as your message goes and your comparisons. I work part time because the government doesnt want to make us full time to save money. Therefore I dont get paid for those holidays. I also have to work nights! They took out the carpet because it was so old,,and now i have to stand on the concrete floor as well,,and have already felt it just like you said in my legs,,they just ache. I also have put my back out many times,,I just missed work last week again because of that,,and here is a big one. The office I work in is closed in,,,,and the ac hasnt worked properly in the last couple years. Its getting worse and there were a few days a couple weeks ago where we felt sick because of the heat,,but its governemnt so they say they dont have the funds for carpeting or to get the ac fixed right. Since they dont want to make us full time, we cant get medical ins. at the same rate as full time, so we have to pay double,,,even though we make way less. I also put up with rude customers,,and kids. That could take pages to tell you about that,,lol. Then because im part time,,i vendor stock on the side to make extra money,,,that is paid by the case,.,and its only .35 a case. Sooooooooooo please dont make assumptions and say quit my lovely job to be a waitress,,,