Parents of Music Swappers in Trouble

jamesglewisf · 07-25-2003, 06:11 PM

http://newsobserver.com/24hour/techn...-6654843c.html

Quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Move over, college kids. Grandparents and roommates may be the first ones to pay in time and money for downloading songs on the Internet.
The music industry's earliest subpoenas are aimed at a surprisingly eclectic group, including a grandfather, an unsuspecting dad and an apartment roommate.

"Within five minutes, if I can get hold of her, this will come to an end," said Gordon Pate of Dana Point, Calif., when told by The Associated Press that a federal subpoena had been issued over his daughter's music downloads.

The legal papers required an Internet provider, Comcast Cable Communications Inc., to hand over Pate's name and address. They were among nearly 1,000 subpoenas issued as part of the recording industry's high-stakes campaign to cripple online piracy by suing some of music's biggest fans.

What do you think of this? How would you like to get busted for this one?

theyeti · 07-25-2003, 06:56 PM

That's insane. Makes me want to move to Mars or something.

Of course, it's really pretty easy to download music "illegaly" without getting caught. More than pretty easy. I don't do it but I know a lot of people who do.

Grimey · 07-26-2003, 11:18 AM

I guess if the parent owns the computer, then they probably will be held responsible. Of course, if your kid takes your kitchen knife and goes downt the street and stabs someone, you are not held responsible. Unless the law says that whoever owns the computer is responsible for illegal downloads, maybe the parent should not be held responsible.

jamesglewisf · 08-03-2003, 04:40 PM

Not many opinions on music swapping. I thought this topic would be hotter.

Stormwind · 08-03-2003, 06:15 PM

I think it is a possibility that they will lose more money than they will gain by going after people who download and share music.

Most of the folks I know (young and older ones), download a few songs from a new release and then buy the CD if it seems mostly good songs. If it isn't they don't want to spend their money.

I know that short song clips are offered by the various music clubs for various CD's and sometimes one can tell if a new release is worth the price, but not always. I certainly won't spend my money on a new artist or one with a short track record, without hearing more than one song or only a few seconds of several.

From the way the different news articles read, it looked like they were going after those who were both sharing and downloading large amounts of material, not the ones only downloading... but that doesn't mean they couldn't at any time.

And Theyeti, if they are getting the names from the ISP how do you consider it still easy to do without getting caught? Seems like a whole lot of things would have to be blocked in order to prevent them from getting a whisper of an IP number, and even then I am not sure that it could be done.

jamesglewisf · 08-03-2003, 11:00 PM

Has anyone seen the commerical where the guy is a set painter. He is talking about how piracy probably doesn't hurt movie producers too much, but it sure does hurt the little guy like himself who is just trying to get by working on 5-10 movies a year?

The website allows you to see the commercials:

http://www.respectcopyrights.org/

What do you think?

Stormwind · 08-03-2003, 11:15 PM

Well I do think that downloading music without paying is stealing...

To me it is the equivalent of shoplifting- always wrong.. but the grey area is the one I mentioned. Is "borrowing" and returning later to pay, stealing?

Maybe the record industry will offer a way to download some songs that stop working - like some shareware -after a few plays. That would satisfy the folks that use downloads as a way to preview in full, the cuts on a new release.

As to movies- I can't watch video clips on my machine without a lot of hassles so I will pass on watching the commercial. But I think it does hurt their profits. I doubt it hurts the set painter who has already been paid for his work. I didn't realize they got any cut of profits or future showings. It hurts all of those who are working on a percentage-which does probably include a few of the smaller folks.

theyeti · 08-03-2003, 11:22 PM

Up in ND my little cousin (she's 11) was on the computer about half the time we were at their house, and she was downloading song after song after song. No one seemed to care, and she or her parents obviously didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

Radu · 08-04-2003, 12:27 AM

In one way, I am opposed to people downloading music rather than actually buying the CD. I don't think there's anything wrong with sampling music, or for backing up music that you already own. There are some people, however, that will download an entire album, and then burn it to a blank-CD, even go so far as printing out the CD label and complete dublicating an album. That's just wrong no matter how you justify it.

In another way, I think this is just another cycle in arts. People have been writing and perfroming music for centuries, without pay. It just so happens that they've been able to make millions off of it for the past few decades. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with making a living off of your passion, but there's no reason why manufactured artists are living in mansions. You'd have more than enough income to make a living with concert tickets and the few albums and merchendice you do sell. In fact, I believe that's how most real musicians do it.

Ladies and Gentleman: Radu the conspiracy theorist.

jamesglewisf · 08-04-2003, 12:34 AM

Radu, I enjoy reading your posts, even if you are a conspiracy theorist.

jamesglewisf · 08-04-2003, 12:35 AM

But PLEASE, please tell me how I am supposed to pronounce your user name?

Radu · 08-04-2003, 12:46 AM

lol. sorry. It's pronounced "Rad-oo", but you can do say it "Ray-doo" if you want. It makes no difference on the internet.

theyeti · 08-04-2003, 12:51 AM

It makes me think of Ragu, the spaghetti sauce

jamesglewisf · 08-04-2003, 01:45 AM

Nothing to be sorry about. I just like to pronounce things correctly, even if it is just when I'm reading it to myself on the computer.

Radu · 08-04-2003, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theyeti
It makes me think of Ragu, the spaghetti sauce

I don't know where you would possibly get that from.

See how much nicer it is with image codes enabled?

07-25-2003, 06:56 PM	#2
theyeti WaffyDaffy Charteroo del norte Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minnesota USA Posts: 2,327	That's insane. Makes me want to move to Mars or something. Of course, it's really pretty easy to download music "illegaly" without getting caught. More than pretty easy. I don't do it but I know a lot of people who do. __________________ "...If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake." -Thomas Jefferson 1798 ~~~Frozen Tundra Blog

07-26-2003, 11:18 AM	#3
Grimey Schnook Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Springfield Posts: 2,165	I guess if the parent owns the computer, then they probably will be held responsible. Of course, if your kid takes your kitchen knife and goes downt the street and stabs someone, you are not held responsible. Unless the law says that whoever owns the computer is responsible for illegal downloads, maybe the parent should not be held responsible. __________________ Stretch

08-03-2003, 04:40 PM	#4
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,138	Not many opinions on music swapping. I thought this topic would be hotter. __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE

08-03-2003, 11:00 PM	#6
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,138	Has anyone seen the commerical where the guy is a set painter. He is talking about how piracy probably doesn't hurt movie producers too much, but it sure does hurt the little guy like himself who is just trying to get by working on 5-10 movies a year? The website allows you to see the commercials: http://www.respectcopyrights.org/ What do you think? __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE

08-03-2003, 11:22 PM	#8
theyeti WaffyDaffy Charteroo del norte Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minnesota USA Posts: 2,327	Up in ND my little cousin (she's 11) was on the computer about half the time we were at their house, and she was downloading song after song after song. No one seemed to care, and she or her parents obviously didn't think there was anything wrong with it. __________________ "...If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake." -Thomas Jefferson 1798 ~~~Frozen Tundra Blog

08-03-2003, 06:15 PM	#5
Stormwind Woopdeedoo Charteroo Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 137	I think it is a possibility that they will lose more money than they will gain by going after people who download and share music. Most of the folks I know (young and older ones), download a few songs from a new release and then buy the CD if it seems mostly good songs. If it isn't they don't want to spend their money. I know that short song clips are offered by the various music clubs for various CD's and sometimes one can tell if a new release is worth the price, but not always. I certainly won't spend my money on a new artist or one with a short track record, without hearing more than one song or only a few seconds of several. From the way the different news articles read, it looked like they were going after those who were both sharing and downloading large amounts of material, not the ones only downloading... but that doesn't mean they couldn't at any time. And Theyeti, if they are getting the names from the ISP how do you consider it still easy to do without getting caught? Seems like a whole lot of things would have to be blocked in order to prevent them from getting a whisper of an IP number, and even then I am not sure that it could be done.

08-03-2003, 11:15 PM	#7
Stormwind Woopdeedoo Charteroo Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 137	Well I do think that downloading music without paying is stealing... To me it is the equivalent of shoplifting- always wrong.. but the grey area is the one I mentioned. Is "borrowing" and returning later to pay, stealing? Maybe the record industry will offer a way to download some songs that stop working - like some shareware -after a few plays. That would satisfy the folks that use downloads as a way to preview in full, the cuts on a new release. As to movies- I can't watch video clips on my machine without a lot of hassles so I will pass on watching the commercial. But I think it does hurt their profits. I doubt it hurts the set painter who has already been paid for his work. I didn't realize they got any cut of profits or future showings. It hurts all of those who are working on a percentage-which does probably include a few of the smaller folks.

08-04-2003, 12:27 AM	#9
Radu Pretentious Intellectual Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: BYU Posts: 688	In one way, I am opposed to people downloading music rather than actually buying the CD. I don't think there's anything wrong with sampling music, or for backing up music that you already own. There are some people, however, that will download an entire album, and then burn it to a blank-CD, even go so far as printing out the CD label and complete dublicating an album. That's just wrong no matter how you justify it. In another way, I think this is just another cycle in arts. People have been writing and perfroming music for centuries, without pay. It just so happens that they've been able to make millions off of it for the past few decades. I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with making a living off of your passion, but there's no reason why manufactured artists are living in mansions. You'd have more than enough income to make a living with concert tickets and the few albums and merchendice you do sell. In fact, I believe that's how most real musicians do it. Ladies and Gentleman: Radu the conspiracy theorist. __________________

08-04-2003, 12:34 AM	#10
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,138	Radu, I enjoy reading your posts, even if you are a conspiracy theorist. __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE

08-04-2003, 12:35 AM	#11
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,138	But PLEASE, please tell me how I am supposed to pronounce your user name? __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE

08-04-2003, 12:46 AM	#12
Radu Pretentious Intellectual Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: BYU Posts: 688	lol. sorry. It's pronounced "Rad-oo", but you can do say it "Ray-doo" if you want. It makes no difference on the internet. __________________

08-04-2003, 12:51 AM	#13
theyeti WaffyDaffy Charteroo del norte Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minnesota USA Posts: 2,327	It makes me think of Ragu, the spaghetti sauce

08-04-2003, 01:45 AM	#14
jamesglewisf Doofus Maximus Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 8,138	Nothing to be sorry about. I just like to pronounce things correctly, even if it is just when I'm reading it to myself on the computer. __________________ Jim Lewis - Admin Tipping Etiquette Dining Etiquette JamesGLewis.com iPhone Tip Guide Movies Without Nudity.com To BE or not to BE