put this in your pipe >:0

[openmind]

honestly i am confused and a little agrivated with some postings about marijuana. They say that the questions have been answered but they haven't. The only answers thrown in are cloudy ones.

I've read all arguments in the threads in hopes for a final answer to go by, but the posts on the threads wasn't enough to base my final decision on, so I gathered bits of all your posts that I believe is correct, and here's my final understanding and answer unless proven wrong:

Using Marijuana is a sin IF:

-You abuse it/use it excessively
-Allow Marijuana to "Master" you (For ex., Alter your judgement or become addicted)
-Depend on Marijuana for relief from depression, spiritual problems or any physical help versus seeking God
-If it is illegal since the Bible does clearly say to obey the law

or lastly,

-If you allow it to damage your body which is the temple of God, for example, smoking blunts (Dutches, Philly's, Swishas, etc.) since the paper used to wrap the Marijuana is Tobacco which destroys you, and also any type of smoke period is bad for your body. So the only "right" way of consuming THC from Marijuana is by Vaporizing it. Since it is not smoke that you are inhaling, but instead, pure THC evaporating off the leaves.


Now before you all bombarred me with two to favorites:
" Its a sin its a sin its a sin!!!!, cause its illegal!!"
or
"It hinders the holy spirit! It makes you think different, act different!!!!!"

know this:
-I agree, that if the lawmakers of a certain land prohibit marijuana and you still use it-its a sin. Duh. NO duh. We've all got that outta the way.

but...(humor me)

lets say were in a land where it is perfectly legal to smoke it or anything else. A hinderence of the holy spirit because it makes you think a little different? really now? eh....
Go watch a sad movie and see if that changes your current mood. Is that a Hinderence of the Holy Spirit as well?
A nice sunny day can change your current mood and thought process. is a sunny day a hinderence of the Holy Spirit?

NOTE:
Don't avalanch me with health reports that were brought to us all by the government that used selective information and then mass media broadcasted it. Dont...

Am i saying live for weed? Absolutely not.

Before you are quick to reply to this (jamesglewisf), take a deep breath, and then....reread this thread without a bias opinion.

Read it with wut my user account name is: Openmind

[jamesglewisf]

Your other examples like a sunny day are just smokescreen for you wanting what you want instead of what God wants. It is not a sin to have your mood altered. If you are in a bad mood, praying could alter your mood and make you happier. It is a sin to let your mind be controlled by anything other than God. Frankly, if watching a sad movie puts me in a funk that lasts more than a few minutes, then it is a sin. That is self-centeredness. I am focusing on myself instead of God and the people around me.

Honestly, the fact that you are so desperately looking for an out to smoke pot makes me fearful that it may already control you. Anyone else who honestly wanted to know whether it was a sin or not would have already been satisfied with the answers and quit pushing.

There are more reasons it is a sin. It is the sin of omission. Smoking pot does not improve your fellowship with men or God. Your job is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength; and then to love your neighbor as yourself. When you are smoking pot, you are doing neither. And by fellowship, I don't mean camaraderie. I mean time spent with other believers improving your relationship with God and their relationships with God. When you are smoking pot, you are not doing what you should be doing. That is the sin of omission. The only point of smoking pot is to get high. Getting high does not glorify God in any way.

I don't think you will find any biblical basis for saying that having an open mind is an admirable trait. If it is open to the things of God, that is admirable; but almost no one means that when they talk of having an open mind. Having an open mind to the things of this world is a sin itself. You are supposed to flee fleshly desires, not be open to them.

Honestly, I sin almost constantly. I am supposed to love the Lord God with ALL my heart, mind, soul, and strength. I don't spend every waking moment of every day doing that. I am supposed to love the people around me. I don't always do that either. Again, sins of omission. I think we fool ourselves and don't realize how much we sin and how much it disappoints God. That's why Jews even offered up sacrifices for sins they didn't know they committed. And that is another reason why Jesus died on the cross for us.

[openmind]

the sunny day example is no smoke screen. It is merely an aplicable example. I don't push the subject to get what i want, but to root out the dogmattic views (including myself). I continue this because you closed the last thread that was made in 2005 stating "This tread is going nowhere, time to close it".

The thread is 5 years old and i read almost every replying post seeing if there would be a straight shot answer-and there isn't :/

I appreciate your concern, but no, marijuana doesn't control me. I have never even smoked marijuana at all. I do my best to really obey the laws. And if i violate any laws, i am open to correction to continue my way. So with that said, the topic does not control me. I merely continue the topic because I am a new to this website and the main thread about this subject was closed-and i have some points of my own.

Smoking pot isn't suppose to be a life improving substance. If your smoking it for simply that reason, then theres a problem. Just like someone who eats away there sorrows or pain. Now eating isn't a bad thing, and its not supose to be a life improving substance. But, again, if your eating to numb pain, instead of recieving counsel, or fellowship, then yes, i would say eating would be a hinderence for that person to move forward.

For example, right now i'm going through an extremely painful time in my life. I just found out that my girlfriend has been using me and the whole time we were together, she was with her exboyfriend. thats just a sliver of that pie. Have a ran to something to ease the pain and spiritual wounding i'm feeling? You betcha. I've ran to God about the whole deal. I've recieved counsel from my very wise mother, and i'm going into get counseling for the extreme pain i'm going throug right now
Have i run to drugs? nope. Did you know that even if i smoked marijuana i wouldn't even go to smoke a bowl. Why? because thats not going to help fix anything. Do i run to food and stuff my face to ease the pain? Nope. Because thats not doing anything for my incentive.

I wanna ask you a queston. Is eating food or drinking water glorifying God. Is watching a movie with friends glorifying God. Is taking a walk glorifying God. I ask these rediculous questions to show that no, "in that moment" of chewing up and swallowing a pizza, or sittiing down with a popcorn and soda with friends to watch the next action pact thriller, or walking to some place, isn't really Glorifying God at all. But its not sinning.

When i was stating to have an open mind while reading this, was to simply say, "Don't wait for your turn to talk instead of listening to what i'm saying" Thats all. Just listen to what i'm saying before anyone goes to post a page and a half reply lol :p

Of course we always are sinning everyday. If we could make it one day without sinning we would probebly blow up. lol
Agree'd, i don't as well, spend every second of my existence from waking up to hitting the hay worshiping God with every ounce of me. But that doesn't make us back slidding believers either. Jesus strives to have a personal relationship with each and everyone of us. So when we go to a movie with friends and were not talking to jesus every second, or in that hour and a half of watching that movie were not up on the mountians proclaiming christ, doesn't make it a sin. Unless your obsessed with movies and thats all you do and it takes up your time with God lol

[openmind]

Ps. thanks for not closing the thread

[jamesglewisf]

The Bible doesn't say clearly that watching porn on the internet is a sin, but we all know that there are a multitude of verses about lust being a sin. It is clearly a sin to watch porn on the internet. It is also clearly a sin to smoke pot. It is against the law, and disobeying the law is a sin. And second, it is a sin to be drunk. If it is a sin to be drunk and not controlled by the Spirit, then it is a sin to be high and not be controlled by the Spirit. I've never seen so many people so eager to get as close to the line of what is sin without breaking it. Even that is a sin. You are supposed to flee immorality, not try to cozy up next to it.

Flee immorality and fleshly lusts

Romans 8:5-8
5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
NASU

1 Peter 2:11-12
11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts, which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may on account of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of visitation.
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Galatians 5:16-24
16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. 17 For the flesh sets its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; for these are in opposition to one another, so that you may not do the things that you please. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you just as I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
NAS

1 John 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world, nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God abides forever.
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1 Corinthians 6:18-20
18 Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
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2 Peter 2:18-19
18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
NAS

[jamesglewisf]

Obey the Law

Romans 13:1-5
13:1 Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2 Therefore he who resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3 For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; 4 for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil. 5 Wherefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
NAS

Titus 3:1
3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,
NAS

1 Peter 2:13-17
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right. 15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men. 16 Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. 17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.
NAS

[jamesglewisf]

Drunkenness

Ephesians 5:18-21
18 And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit, 19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody with your heart to the Lord; 20 always giving thanks for all things in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God, even the Father; 21 and be subject to one another in the fear of Christ.
NASU

Proverbs 23:20-21
20 Do not be with heavy drinkers of wine,
Or with gluttonous eaters of meat;
21 For the heavy drinker and the glutton will come to poverty,
And drowsiness will clothe a man with rags.
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Proverbs 23:29-34
29 Who has woe? Who has sorrow?
Who has contentions? Who has complaining?
Who has wounds without cause?
Who has redness of eyes?
30 Those who linger long over wine,
Those who go to taste mixed wine.
31 Do not look on the wine when it is red,
When it sparkles in the cup,
When it goes down smoothly;
32 At the last it bites like a serpent,
And stings like a viper.
33 Your eyes will see strange things,
And your mind will utter perverse things.
34 And you will be like one who lies down in the middle of the sea,
Or like one who lies down on the top of a mast.
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Luke 21:34-36
34 "Be on guard, that your hearts may not be weighted down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life, and that day come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who dwell on the face of all the earth. 36 "But keep on the alert at all times, praying in order that you may have strength to escape all these things that are about to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man."
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Romans 13:12-14
13 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. 14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.
NAS

What are the examples of drunkenness in the Bible? Are there good ones? Nope. Noah got drunk, fell asleep naked, and his son Ham got cursed for looking at him (Genesis 9). Lot's daughters got him drunk so they could commit incest with him (Genesis 19). Nabal betrayed David and got drunk (1 Samuel 25). David got Nabal drunk so he could deceive him about getting his wife pregnant (2 Samuel 11). Elah got drunk and was killed by the conspirator Zimri (1 Kings 16). Belshazzar got drunk and sinned against God by praising false gods (Daniel 5).

[jamesglewisf]

Don't try to use Genesis 1:29. It doesn't stand up to the test of logic. If you would like to see a list of plants that are poisonous to humans and animals, check out this Cornell website - http://www.ansci.cornell.edu/plants/...action=display. If you think they are safe to eat because of Genesis 1:29, go right ahead. Just because God made a plant, it doesn't mean that he intends us to eat it or smoke it.

[jamesglewisf]

Last but not least --

http://www.physorg.com/news164348909.html

Raj Singh said: “Parts of the plant Cannabis sativa, also known as marijuana, ganja, and various street names, are commonly smoked as a recreational drug, although its use for such purposes is illegal in many countries.

“There have been many studies on the toxicity of tobacco smoke. It is known that tobacco smoke contains 4000 chemicals of which 60 are classed as carcinogens. Cannabis in contrast has not been so well studied. It is less combustible than tobacco and is often mixed with tobacco in use. Cannabis smoke contains 400 compounds including 60 cannabinoids. However, because of its lower combustibility it contains 50% more carcinogenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons including naphthalene, benzanthracene, and benzopyrene, than tobacco smoke.”

Writing in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology, the scientists describe the development of a mass spectrometry method that provides a clear indication that cannabis smoke damages DNA, under laboratory conditions.

The authors added: “It is well known that toxic substances in tobacco smoke can damage DNA and increase the risk of lung and other cancers. Scientists were unsure though whether cannabis smoke would have the same effect. Our research has focused on the toxicity of acetaldehyde, which is present in both tobacco and cannabis.”

The researchers add that the ability of cannabis smoke to damage DNA has significant human health implications especially as users tend to inhale more deeply than cigarette smokers, which increases respiratory burden. "The smoking of 3-4 cannabis cigarettes a day is associated with the same degree of damage to bronchial mucus membranes as 20 or more tobacco cigarettes a day," the team adds.

"These results provide evidence for the DNA damaging potential of cannabis smoke," the researchers conclude, "implying that the consumption of cannabis cigarettes may be detrimental to human health with the possibility to initiate cancer development."

http://www.le.ac.uk/cm/staff/rs25_full.html

[openmind]

Dear God man it takes forever to read your stuff lol

have you forgot what i wrote because you just waisted time typing irrelevant stuff.

1:
We all know its a sin to smoke it if its illegal. My Gosh man, every reply to every pot thread you post is throwing that excuse out
WE...ALL...KNOW...SMOKING...POT...IN...CERTAIN...COUNTIES...SUCH...AS..THE..USA..IS...A...SIN.
Stop using that. i'm not ignorant of that

2.
I told you to not bombard me with useless information about the health hazzards. The majority of the junk people toss everywhere saying its "facts" is very inacurate. Do me a favor "jamesglewisf" since you seem to love to grasp onto a bunch of "facts" that you somehow "know" is acurate- go look up and read the book, "Marijuana myths, Marijuana Facts" written by Lynn Zimmer, Ph.D. and John P. Morgan. M.D., then go look up the documentry "The Union". I know you can't post links but i feel it is very nessesary. [link deleted] . thats the link to watch the documentry.

It wouldn't let me add the link so all you have to do is add an "h" to the beginning of the like.

[Link deleted]
Since you seem to just know "everything" about marijuana. Read that book, watch that video and think about what your saying.

3. True getting drunk is written all over the place in the bible. But honestly man, honestly, you "honestly" don't know what your talking about at all with this. getting High and getting drunk are to "VEEEERRRRYYY" different things. You keep throwing that excuse out there and its nothing but a scare tactic to the uninformed. thats like me saying over-eating and getting drunk are the same thing. Its not. Your wrong. Honestly bro, it is possible for jamesglewisf that posts 8,026, to be incorrect in something. I'm not being a hater.

I really challenge you to watch that link and rent that book out from the library.

4.
again...ugh....its not my intention to find a meanings to smoke smoke smoke until i die. I say once again for you....I merely continue the topic because I am a new to this website and the main thread about this subject was closed-and i have some points of my own

God Bless and i plead once again to keep this thread open and not to close it. I'm new to the website and i want to voice my oppinions about this unanswered topic

[jamesglewisf]

I was just restating the answers from the Bible because you don't seem to be able to remember the ample Scripture given you in the other thread. The reason I closed the other thread is the same reason I am closing this one and the same reason I will ban you if you start another thread on pot. It has already been answered fully, and you have nothing new to add either. You don't really want a biblical answer, you really just want to re-hash tired arguments that have already been posted in the other thread.